I don't fxcking believe this... what the hell? Again with this?!
I'm quoting myself: "- You can edit these mods ONLY for your own personal use. - Any re-packs or re-distributions (also meaning conversions to other games) are forbidden. - Any commercial use of these mods is strictly forbidden. - Integrating any of these mods to any online plugin without permission is also forbidden. - So basically everything is forbidden."
RBR Hub, you bloody prick! I guess you haven't read my previous rants about this, or maybe you have, but feel defiant and want to push your luck. Well here's your lucky day, I'll raise your profile. You know, I've been very reasonable about my stance. And what exactly is it that you find so hard to use (allegedly) in my original packs.
And Myra, I bet you want to defend RBR Hub, but you just stay out of this, alright?
To porridge: Hi, believe me or not, I found your mods all over the internet. I dont know you dont agree with using this mod by RBR community, because before I upload this videos, I dont know you. I really not found your name in any downloaded package. Almost every mod to RBR have forgotten author, Im having problems with searching real authors because I want credit them in description and in video. Anyway, why you want to leave alone your mods? Why you disagree with propagation?
Hello Porridge I honestly do not understand your attitude. So much anger. For what? Why did you create and release this thing? I'm tired of all that hatred within the RBR community ... I have nothing to add.
Napadá mě, že jestli budeš předělávat video, tak raději s jiným navigátorem. Kdyby tam byla třeba nějaká prima ženská - od té bych se nechal navádět...
Nevim co s nim, neni s nim normalni mluva, a nejde se s nim domluvit. Mam zapsany i nejaky Česky, hledam kdekoliv, nevim jaky presne udelal prave on. Mazat to je skoda, jednak tyhle navigatory skoro nikdo nema a pomalu se na ne zapomina.
Abych byl přesný, existuje RBR+ na FB. Dělal to jeden z mých dřívějších spolupracovníků. Ale pokud vím, tak se tomu už nevěnuje a v RBR už taky "nejede".
To Porridge: Because youre not responding, I searched everything by myself. On racedepartment.com, you SHARED all your mods in Mar 16, 2017. Hopefully, I found your original pack so I decided to link you pack to the description of my videos. Also, I mentioned you in the titles of my videos with your content, added link to your youtube channel in descriptions and added your name in my repacks. The repacks I dont delete because its better to have mirrors when any link will be dead. So, I tried my best. CONTACT me anytime.
I'll just ignore all of the Czech-language posts and react only to the first English ones. There are office hours and then there are out of office hours.
I'm inclined to not believe a word you said there, Mr Hub, but nice try. And even if what you said was half-true, I have to ask: Just how small is your RBR bubble exactly? My mods exist in two of the biggest RBR forums (as you've now noted): http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/reid-grist-co-driver-mods.73575/ and http://forum.rallyesim.fr/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=16674. And they are not even hidden in page 13 or anything so if you seriously suggest to me that you had no idea, maybe try pulling your head out of your arse next time?
So where oh where should I go to promote my old mods so that I wouldn't neglect your RBR bubble, Hub? Maybe there's a Czech-language Discord channel that I should make my way to (I won't) but how about e-rajdy.pl? I have an account there and if only I remember my password, no problem whatsoever. Yes, they mostly use WRSMP Co-driver Pro in there but let's not worry about that too much because surely they've gone on far too long without some porridge-y rambling and Finnish co-driver mods especially. I'm all giddy, I'm going to make them SOOO happy.
GVRC? The home of NGP. But wait, I've already KINDA done that: http://www.ly-racing.de/viewtopic.php?t=8376, but as porridge gets on so great with the Germans, I'll go there again and do it properly this time. Just for you, Hub, just for you.
The Czech forum? Yeah, now that it is open, why not? Why not indeed! Do you mind if I only post to the English side of the forum or would it go unnoticed, what do you think?
/r/Simrally? Currently the best English RBR support site and all things rallygames. I love that place so I'll make it my special project.
Nogripracing? Who reads it?
What else? RBR Estonian League? I can't remember if they had an active forum in there but I'm sure it would be fun because I could always break the ice with an amusing test sample.
Sounds like fun campaign so I'll do it. But in the meantime, enough about this crap. I will tell you, Hub, YOUR SO-CALLED EASY TO INSTALL RE-PACKS REQUIRE SUPPORT, so it's like you've had only one job but you still failed miserably (I can also reveal that it's not even the first time). So would I want a novice like you to promote my mods? No, absolutely not because why would I? You already managed to make them worse. Not by much but worse still. Simple as that.
I always hesitate to use the term "ironic" because it gets mostly misused but it sure rings a bell.
And Myra, I already know your views about modding and we continue to agree to disagree. But I'll say this anyway, you're still in no position to dictate how I or any other modder should react when these things happen. This is all about levels, we're not talking of 15 minute mods in here. But whatever, you will never care enough to understand.
... Still dont understand where's problem. Its great, your mods are on the best sites about RBR, good job. Every post include your name and your link to download your pack... SAME as my videos. I never stole your work and called them as MY work. My channel is about everything about RBR. First video has been released 4 mounths ago and yes, its not big right now, as you said. The point is I want to show, what community made for this game, what content exist for this game. So I dont understand your aggression. Maybe you want to hear my channel is NON-commercial? No ads, no money for views. I did not something bad, something against you. Just shared your great work, thats it.
Oh I'm sorry, I was naive. I thought it was impossible not to understand the problem. You claim you're sharing my work, but the fact is that you're not doing it now are you? The mods in the re-packs ARE CLEARLY NOT as I intended them, and no, I obviously won't go into every detail because ultimately, I'd still like your mirrors to be totally removed. They're unnecessary. It's not like I'm going away, far from it, but what if I wanted to make some changes, then there would be different versions around and that obviously wouldn't be in my interests at all, would it?
It really is that simple. There is only one solution to this and I absolutely hate coming to this compromise, but if you adjust your singular co-driver repacks to be exactly how I've published each co-driver files (to replace Fre instead of Eng) and add the readmes and the spreadsheets, I could live with that and then you wouldn't have to necessarily edit your videos or anything and maybe then I can remove my comments from them.
Well, its possible to link your pack to every video about your content and delete my repacks. But still, i think its better to upload them one by one, isnt it? The tutorial needs to be reworked then. No problem.
Personally, I just don't see any benefits in publishing them one by one. If you insist on having a uloz.to mirror, fine, whatever but I still want it to be the full pack as it is. And it's much easier for you too, because if published one by one, the documentation would have to be edited accordingly to make any sense. And that's just a waste of time.
Whether or not people agree with how an author wants their mods used (or not used) should be irrelevant.
The fact is that porridge has put time and energy into creating these mods (and has done a great job). If anyone has ever tried to extract and isolate co-driver audio from onboards they might understand.
So everyone should respect his wishes even if they don't agree. I'd like to see mod authors happy because a happy modder is a productive modder.
Oh my, thank you for your words, anonymni. So beautifully put that I've almost got a tear in my eye. Finally someone gets it: the ordeal of being porridge (and a modder, for that matter).
And listen, Hub, I think we can work this one out because maybe I'd like to use you for my own selfish purposes. It'll be a gruelling process with insults flying back and forth, but at the end of (this) day (even), we may get somewhere.
Well, Im gonna do what I said before. Rework tutorial and delete repacks. Make those repacks were mistake, but I didnt know the author is still active. So sorry for that. I hope you understood me.
Very nice. Thank you! I will link to it from my RD thread later in the day.
And oh I see, the dreaded non-French edition... thanks for reminding me. So was that THE reason... right, well, let's not go back there anymore. I actually had that thing covered in ancient versions of the installation guide as well because I was told of the distinct possibility by one Finnish guy 6-7 years ago, on a forum that got deleted from existence... about 6-7 years ago. And once I removed any mentions of it - perhaps merely to simplify the guide - I've never thought of it since.
Goes to show once again that I've forgotten more about RBR than I've ever learned.
I just wanted to show way how to edit it when people dont have French Co-Driver. Maybe you can edit your "readme" in pack and write how to do it. I was confused when I copied your files to game and then I tried to change Co-Driver to French. So I decided to edit it by myself.
Definitely goes on the to-do list. Although considering it took porridge like six months to pull the finger out of his arse to modernise the guide with RBRCIT mentions and adding couple of extra lines that were truly high priority, the chances are that it'll remain on the to-do list in the most distant of futures.
Of course, this issue with the French language applies to the Broken\Fre folder too, but I'd imagine that users are well aware of it even without anyone mentioning it separately.
Nah, this is how my RBR career started and this is how it'll end one day. In light of your video, I'll write my modding biography to RD where all will be revealed in disgusting detail.
I don't fxcking believe this... what the hell? Again with this?!
OdpovědětVymazatI'm quoting myself:
"- You can edit these mods ONLY for your own personal use.
- Any re-packs or re-distributions (also meaning conversions to other games) are forbidden.
- Any commercial use of these mods is strictly forbidden.
- Integrating any of these mods to any online plugin without permission is also forbidden.
- So basically everything is forbidden."
RBR Hub, you bloody prick! I guess you haven't read my previous rants about this, or maybe you have, but feel defiant and want to push your luck. Well here's your lucky day, I'll raise your profile. You know, I've been very reasonable about my stance. And what exactly is it that you find so hard to use (allegedly) in my original packs.
And Myra, I bet you want to defend RBR Hub, but you just stay out of this, alright?
To porridge:
VymazatHi, believe me or not, I found your mods all over the internet. I dont know you dont agree with using this mod by RBR community, because before I upload this videos, I dont know you. I really not found your name in any downloaded package. Almost every mod to RBR have forgotten author, Im having problems with searching real authors because I want credit them in description and in video. Anyway, why you want to leave alone your mods? Why you disagree with propagation?
Hello Porridge
VymazatI honestly do not understand your attitude. So much anger. For what?
Why did you create and release this thing?
I'm tired of all that hatred within the RBR community ... I have nothing to add.
Me too. Easiest think is to remake video with his name and link to his social sites, his download links, contacting me isnt hard, try it :).
VymazatNapadá mě, že jestli budeš předělávat video, tak raději s jiným navigátorem.
VymazatKdyby tam byla třeba nějaká prima ženská - od té bych se nechal navádět...
Nevim co s nim, neni s nim normalni mluva, a nejde se s nim domluvit. Mam zapsany i nejaky Česky, hledam kdekoliv, nevim jaky presne udelal prave on. Mazat to je skoda, jednak tyhle navigatory skoro nikdo nema a pomalu se na ne zapomina.
VymazatPak jedině použít nějakého "bezpečného" mitfáru a ty ostatní si holt nechat v šuplíku (nebo na požádání).
VymazatTak ono by stacilo ten link ke stazeni dat jinej a ne muj, pak bych s tim nemel nic spolecnyho. V tom nejlepsim pripade alespon zacne odepisovat.
VymazatPokud jsem nekde prehledl link tak se omlouvam, mas Facebook?
VymazatNemám a v poslední době tam ani nechodím. Mám akorát mail:
Vymazatzmodrally@seznam.cz
Abych byl přesný, existuje RBR+ na FB. Dělal to jeden z mých dřívějších spolupracovníků. Ale pokud vím, tak se tomu už nevěnuje a v RBR už taky "nejede".
VymazatToho je skoda, to bych mozna prevzal, ozivil :).
VymazatNapiš mi mejl, pošlu ti adresu na Vyshiho.
Vymazatrbrhub@gmail.com
VymazatTo Porridge:
VymazatBecause youre not responding, I searched everything by myself. On racedepartment.com, you SHARED all your mods in Mar 16, 2017. Hopefully, I found your original pack so I decided to link you pack to the description of my videos. Also, I mentioned you in the titles of my videos with your content, added link to your youtube channel in descriptions and added your name in my repacks. The repacks I dont delete because its better to have mirrors when any link will be dead. So, I tried my best. CONTACT me anytime.
Oh come on, I'm eating here...
VymazatI'll just ignore all of the Czech-language posts and react only to the first English ones. There are office hours and then there are out of office hours.
I'm inclined to not believe a word you said there, Mr Hub, but nice try. And even if what you said was half-true, I have to ask: Just how small is your RBR bubble exactly? My mods exist in two of the biggest RBR forums (as you've now noted): http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/reid-grist-co-driver-mods.73575/ and http://forum.rallyesim.fr/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=16674. And they are not even hidden in page 13 or anything so if you seriously suggest to me that you had no idea, maybe try pulling your head out of your arse next time?
So where oh where should I go to promote my old mods so that I wouldn't neglect your RBR bubble, Hub? Maybe there's a Czech-language Discord channel that I should make my way to (I won't) but how about e-rajdy.pl? I have an account there and if only I remember my password, no problem whatsoever. Yes, they mostly use WRSMP Co-driver Pro in there but let's not worry about that too much because surely they've gone on far too long without some porridge-y rambling and Finnish co-driver mods especially. I'm all giddy, I'm going to make them SOOO happy.
GVRC? The home of NGP. But wait, I've already KINDA done that: http://www.ly-racing.de/viewtopic.php?t=8376, but as porridge gets on so great with the Germans, I'll go there again and do it properly this time. Just for you, Hub, just for you.
The Czech forum? Yeah, now that it is open, why not? Why not indeed! Do you mind if I only post to the English side of the forum or would it go unnoticed, what do you think?
/r/Simrally? Currently the best English RBR support site and all things rallygames. I love that place so I'll make it my special project.
Nogripracing? Who reads it?
What else? RBR Estonian League? I can't remember if they had an active forum in there but I'm sure it would be fun because I could always break the ice with an amusing test sample.
Sounds like fun campaign so I'll do it. But in the meantime, enough about this crap. I will tell you, Hub, YOUR SO-CALLED EASY TO INSTALL RE-PACKS REQUIRE SUPPORT, so it's like you've had only one job but you still failed miserably (I can also reveal that it's not even the first time). So would I want a novice like you to promote my mods? No, absolutely not because why would I? You already managed to make them worse. Not by much but worse still. Simple as that.
I always hesitate to use the term "ironic" because it gets mostly misused but it sure rings a bell.
And Myra, I already know your views about modding and we continue to agree to disagree. But I'll say this anyway, you're still in no position to dictate how I or any other modder should react when these things happen. This is all about levels, we're not talking of 15 minute mods in here. But whatever, you will never care enough to understand.
How about this for a response?
... Still dont understand where's problem. Its great, your mods are on the best sites about RBR, good job. Every post include your name and your link to download your pack... SAME as my videos. I never stole your work and called them as MY work. My channel is about everything about RBR. First video has been released 4 mounths ago and yes, its not big right now, as you said. The point is I want to show, what community made for this game, what content exist for this game. So I dont understand your aggression. Maybe you want to hear my channel is NON-commercial? No ads, no money for views. I did not something bad, something against you. Just shared your great work, thats it.
VymazatOh I'm sorry, I was naive. I thought it was impossible not to understand the problem. You claim you're sharing my work, but the fact is that you're not doing it now are you? The mods in the re-packs ARE CLEARLY NOT as I intended them, and no, I obviously won't go into every detail because ultimately, I'd still like your mirrors to be totally removed. They're unnecessary. It's not like I'm going away, far from it, but what if I wanted to make some changes, then there would be different versions around and that obviously wouldn't be in my interests at all, would it?
VymazatIt really is that simple. There is only one solution to this and I absolutely hate coming to this compromise, but if you adjust your singular co-driver repacks to be exactly how I've published each co-driver files (to replace Fre instead of Eng) and add the readmes and the spreadsheets, I could live with that and then you wouldn't have to necessarily edit your videos or anything and maybe then I can remove my comments from them.
Well, its possible to link your pack to every video about your content and delete my repacks. But still, i think its better to upload them one by one, isnt it? The tutorial needs to be reworked then. No problem.
VymazatPersonally, I just don't see any benefits in publishing them one by one. If you insist on having a uloz.to mirror, fine, whatever but I still want it to be the full pack as it is. And it's much easier for you too, because if published one by one, the documentation would have to be edited accordingly to make any sense. And that's just a waste of time.
VymazatOk, I agree.
VymazatTento komentář byl odstraněn autorem.
OdpovědětVymazatTento komentář byl odstraněn autorem.
VymazatCome on guys. . Is it a real problem that someone share your work ? He doesn't say that he is the author..
OdpovědětVymazatWhether or not people agree with how an author wants their mods used (or not used) should be irrelevant.
OdpovědětVymazatThe fact is that porridge has put time and energy into creating these mods (and has done a great job). If anyone has ever tried to extract and isolate co-driver audio from onboards they might understand.
So everyone should respect his wishes even if they don't agree. I'd like to see mod authors happy because a happy modder is a productive modder.
I agree, thats why I want to solve this. Its about communication, everyone can contact me.
VymazatTranquilos che, no peleen. Paz loco Paz. Aguante Richard Burns Rally...
VymazatOh my, thank you for your words, anonymni. So beautifully put that I've almost got a tear in my eye. Finally someone gets it: the ordeal of being porridge (and a modder, for that matter).
OdpovědětVymazatAnd listen, Hub, I think we can work this one out because maybe I'd like to use you for my own selfish purposes. It'll be a gruelling process with insults flying back and forth, but at the end of (this) day (even), we may get somewhere.
Well, Im gonna do what I said before. Rework tutorial and delete repacks. Make those repacks were mistake, but I didnt know the author is still active. So sorry for that. I hope you understood me.
VymazatHave a great rest of day.
And you too. (See my latest post there above.)
VymazatVideo deleted. New video HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGj0b6QgsCQ
OdpovědětVymazatVery nice. Thank you! I will link to it from my RD thread later in the day.
VymazatAnd oh I see, the dreaded non-French edition... thanks for reminding me. So was that THE reason... right, well, let's not go back there anymore. I actually had that thing covered in ancient versions of the installation guide as well because I was told of the distinct possibility by one Finnish guy 6-7 years ago, on a forum that got deleted from existence... about 6-7 years ago. And once I removed any mentions of it - perhaps merely to simplify the guide - I've never thought of it since.
Goes to show once again that I've forgotten more about RBR than I've ever learned.
I just wanted to show way how to edit it when people dont have French Co-Driver. Maybe you can edit your "readme" in pack and write how to do it. I was confused when I copied your files to game and then I tried to change Co-Driver to French. So I decided to edit it by myself.
VymazatDefinitely goes on the to-do list. Although considering it took porridge like six months to pull the finger out of his arse to modernise the guide with RBRCIT mentions and adding couple of extra lines that were truly high priority, the chances are that it'll remain on the to-do list in the most distant of futures.
VymazatOf course, this issue with the French language applies to the Broken\Fre folder too, but I'd imagine that users are well aware of it even without anyone mentioning it separately.
Definitely good idea. And you are making only Co-driver or any other mods?
VymazatNah, this is how my RBR career started and this is how it'll end one day. In light of your video, I'll write my modding biography to RD where all will be revealed in disgusting detail.
Vymazat... Dont planning something new? Because you're talented. I know how hard is make clean Co-Driver sound. I already tried it, but not completed it.
VymazatI'll answer that and many other questions in my article.
VymazatOk, great.
Vymazat