What is the single most important element of RBR? Driving physics. Who can contribute to those physics? Well… The whole NGP system is behind a single person. How would you assess the sustainability of the current situation? I’d say negative three out of five.
Yes. Look at Assetto corsa, every week countless cars are made in different categories and you can download them and they are all different (physics), clearly there people have access to do the physics of the cars.
It's not at all sustainable, but the RBR community treat that WorkerBee knob like he's some sort of god, when in reality it's an absolute joke relying on a single person who decides which cars we can and can't have
The amount of ignorance in some of these comments... Guys, this is *NOT* AC. RBR will *never* be as big as AC; Rally is a niche motorsport. We are incredibly lucky to have nearly 100 cars in NGP 7. If you want more cars, create an accurate enough model and the physics guy will make physics for it. As for Rally1 cars... Do you really think it's that simple to code and implement an entirely new function of a car like the hybrid system on a 20-year-old game? If you are unsatisfied with the situation, you can ask him for a refund.
comments about AC and how it has more cars than RBR doesn't mean quantity > quality. Most of the new AC cars we see in AC servers are nothing but crap because those have been created by people who don't really understand car mechanics. They just created a model and called it a day. But RBR has nothing but good cars (or if it is a bad car then the IRL version was also a bad car)
Do you think that WRC car engineers build cars based on how they feel to drive? If so then I can say you're an idiot. Everything is based on actual data instead of how someone feels. People need to realize that NGP is Bee's personal project and he doesn't want people to touch it. Let him work in peace and we get some awesome stuff (for free). Or you can always make your own physics if you're so worried about sustainability of this concept, or head to AC if amount of cars is more important than quality
This is good, so you don't need to drive the cars, you just need to know the "science" behind it, so anyone who knows can do it... wait, you can't, because only workerbee can do it - btw, that's the main point of this thread.
Sure it needs to be proven that car handles okay but physics aren't built from feeling. I'm sure he can get proper feedback from qualified people if needed but owning a WRX or simrig doesn't make you one automatically. And people clearly don't understand his motives and the personal project thing so disrespecting seems to be only thing they can come up with. It doesn't require much brains or knowledge about physics to understand how complex the NGP is. When the base is done well you can use the real life data to build cars that handle very close to real ones. But ofc can't expect that all people here have much brain cells judging from these conversations.
good, so we agree that workerbee needs help because of the complexity of ngp and the fact that we can do car physics through data and feedback from rally drivers. great
Nothing about rally driver feedback implies that Bee now has to go out of his way and let random people create official car physics files for his project. You are not entitled to access in someones codebase just because you demand it
What if he doesn't want help? What you lose if you don't get anymore updates for physics that cost you absolutely nothing? And considering the things we have seen in RBR scene. Would you be willing to share your personal project to someone and soon it's stolen because someone doesn't understand how copyrights work? Maybe Bee works together with people he trusts behind the scenes but I don't see any reason why he should share his project with every person asking for it. In the end crying about in RBR+ won't change any things so if you have something that could help then you probably know what to do
Workerbee is not the problem. He has done an amazing job, it is his, he does what he wants with his work and he wants to protect it. (Actually no one knows what's behind it). That's fair enough. What would you do in his place?
I like his work, it's the most real, if it suits me, I'll take it as it is, by the way for free.
RSF and RBRcz have only tied themselves to his work--no other physics, and that excludes many things, including new cars for now.
Is there anyone else who can do physics so similar to reality? I don't...
Well, one thing i dont understand is that, as much of it being his intellectual property and being free isnt this for us players/simracers? No one is asking for bending the data to our feeling or likes but maybe the original reversed engine has its limits which make the behaviour of the cars not quite right although not bad. Unfortunately AC rally is close if not better, EA WRC is better on gravel and some other mods of RBR feel more natural. Why isnt there a place where he could at least give a try, to get it better for the overall effect other than his own pride? Respect for hard work, but why not more of a cooperation rather than competition with your own customers? My 5 cents Thanks
Fuck off przmekekekekek, your opinion on physics is completely worthless and your shitty NGP3 ini edit is a testament to that. You retarded hackjob, piss off to your beloved AssShitter Cancer
Great job, I hope it's soon in NGP physics, the best physics there is, Assetto Corsa is horrible, you don't need the handbrake haha, EA Wrc is a boring game (game). RBR and WorkerBee forever.
Definetly agree, a lot of ac cars are crap… better wait for authentic car behavior than get a piece of arcade car. Anyway, anyone knows if there is some work or progress about fabia rs rally2 or fiesta rally2 2023 physics?
To the person calling other ignorant, I could easily argue with you that there is countless high quality RBR car models which haven't get NGP support yet. Just look at the Corolla WRC from Kubrt... this car is amongst the most historical ones, Kubrt made it a decade ago and still nothing. Workerbee could be hit by a bus on the street any day and NGP would die. No matter how much this guy have made for the commuinty, keeping his thing secret just make him a complete moron and doesn't deserve any ovation.
Assetto corsa is a game, not a simulator, if we let each person modify the physics as they want, the gene is lost. AC is horrible, get out of here. Do you like it like this with the translator? te lo digo en castellano, Cerra el Orto y andate de aca.
Unfortunately, once again, it turns out that a lot of people don't know what a decent discussion looks like. Personal assault shows an inability to bring an argument.
Wow, great job. Maybe soon ngp 7 physics from Bee for Rally1 cars
OdpovědětVymazatSoon as in 2026
VymazatWrong! soon as in 2030.
VymazatBig premiere not to be missed in 2050
VymazatCome back in 2050 and now go play another game, outside of RBR and stop criticizing
Vymazatbeautiful but heavy 3D models
OdpovědětVymazatCca 800 000 poly, original cars cca 20 000 :-)
Vymazatoh good, i think i have to upgrade my pc then :D
VymazatWhat is the single most important element of RBR? Driving physics. Who can contribute to those physics? Well… The whole NGP system is behind a single person. How would you assess the sustainability of the current situation? I’d say negative three out of five.
OdpovědětVymazatYes. Look at Assetto corsa, every week countless cars are made in different categories and you can download them and they are all different (physics), clearly there people have access to do the physics of the cars.
VymazatIt's not at all sustainable, but the RBR community treat that WorkerBee knob like he's some sort of god, when in reality it's an absolute joke relying on a single person who decides which cars we can and can't have
Vymazatthat's a good point, what happens when bee will quit? it would be good to have a sort of "how to create NGP tutorial"
VymazatHe definitely needs to open up to people and suggestions. You can always try RBR 2020 mod it is pretty cool.
VymazatWorkerBee wants to control everything, he doesn't just do car physics but modifies the models too.
VymazatHe doesnt modify the models. Just he edits the ini files to clean or adapt some geometrical points to the physics.
VymazatLSP physics files, not model ini files
VymazatThe amount of ignorance in some of these comments... Guys, this is *NOT* AC. RBR will *never* be as big as AC; Rally is a niche motorsport. We are incredibly lucky to have nearly 100 cars in NGP 7. If you want more cars, create an accurate enough model and the physics guy will make physics for it. As for Rally1 cars... Do you really think it's that simple to code and implement an entirely new function of a car like the hybrid system on a 20-year-old game? If you are unsatisfied with the situation, you can ask him for a refund.
Vymazatwhat is the connection between AC having a large player base and the fact that you can model cars and physics? 🤔🤣
Vymazatcomments about AC and how it has more cars than RBR doesn't mean quantity > quality. Most of the new AC cars we see in AC servers are nothing but crap because those have been created by people who don't really understand car mechanics. They just created a model and called it a day. But RBR has nothing but good cars (or if it is a bad car then the IRL version was also a bad car)
VymazatAssetto Corsa is a disaster, the physics creators have no idea what a real car is like, the steering is very bad.
Vymazatso you're saying WorkerBee drove all the cars he did the physics? 🤦♂️
VymazatDo you think that WRC car engineers build cars based on how they feel to drive? If so then I can say you're an idiot. Everything is based on actual data instead of how someone feels. People need to realize that NGP is Bee's personal project and he doesn't want people to touch it. Let him work in peace and we get some awesome stuff (for free). Or you can always make your own physics if you're so worried about sustainability of this concept, or head to AC if amount of cars is more important than quality
VymazatThis is good, so you don't need to drive the cars, you just need to know the "science" behind it, so anyone who knows can do it... wait, you can't, because only workerbee can do it - btw, that's the main point of this thread.
VymazatSure it needs to be proven that car handles okay but physics aren't built from feeling. I'm sure he can get proper feedback from qualified people if needed but owning a WRX or simrig doesn't make you one automatically. And people clearly don't understand his motives and the personal project thing so disrespecting seems to be only thing they can come up with. It doesn't require much brains or knowledge about physics to understand how complex the NGP is. When the base is done well you can use the real life data to build cars that handle very close to real ones. But ofc can't expect that all people here have much brain cells judging from these conversations.
Vymazatgood, so we agree that workerbee needs help because of the complexity of ngp and the fact that we can do car physics through data and feedback from rally drivers. great
VymazatNothing about rally driver feedback implies that Bee now has to go out of his way and let random people create official car physics files for his project. You are not entitled to access in someones codebase just because you demand it
VymazatWhat if he doesn't want help? What you lose if you don't get anymore updates for physics that cost you absolutely nothing? And considering the things we have seen in RBR scene. Would you be willing to share your personal project to someone and soon it's stolen because someone doesn't understand how copyrights work? Maybe Bee works together with people he trusts behind the scenes but I don't see any reason why he should share his project with every person asking for it. In the end crying about in RBR+ won't change any things so if you have something that could help then you probably know what to do
VymazatWorkerbee is not the problem. He has done an amazing job, it is his, he does what he wants with his work and he wants to protect it. (Actually no one knows what's behind it).
VymazatThat's fair enough.
What would you do in his place?
I like his work, it's the most real, if it suits me, I'll take it as it is, by the way for free.
RSF and RBRcz have only tied themselves to his work--no other physics, and that excludes many things, including new cars for now.
Is there anyone else who can do physics so similar to reality?
I don't...
Well, one thing i dont understand is that, as much of it being his intellectual property and being free isnt this for us players/simracers? No one is asking for bending the data to our feeling or likes but maybe the original reversed engine has its limits which make the behaviour of the cars not quite right although not bad. Unfortunately AC rally is close if not better, EA WRC is better on gravel and some other mods of RBR feel more natural. Why isnt there a place where he could at least give a try, to get it better for the overall effect other than his own pride? Respect for hard work, but why not more of a cooperation rather than competition with your own customers? My 5 cents
VymazatThanks
Fuck off przmekekekekek, your opinion on physics is completely worthless and your shitty NGP3 ini edit is a testament to that. You retarded hackjob, piss off to your beloved AssShitter Cancer
Vymazathaha, you are one crazy fool haha A bit of manners
VymazatGreat job, I hope it's soon in NGP physics, the best physics there is, Assetto Corsa is horrible, you don't need the handbrake haha, EA Wrc is a boring game (game). RBR and WorkerBee forever.
OdpovědětVymazatDefinetly agree, a lot of ac cars are crap… better wait for authentic car behavior than get a piece of arcade car. Anyway, anyone knows if there is some work or progress about fabia rs rally2 or fiesta rally2 2023 physics?
OdpovědětVymazatTo the person calling other ignorant, I could easily argue with you that there is countless high quality RBR car models which haven't get NGP support yet. Just look at the Corolla WRC from Kubrt... this car is amongst the most historical ones, Kubrt made it a decade ago and still nothing. Workerbee could be hit by a bus on the street any day and NGP would die. No matter how much this guy have made for the commuinty, keeping his thing secret just make him a complete moron and doesn't deserve any ovation.
OdpovědětVymazat💯
VymazatYou said everything! I have contacted workerbee once and the guy is an ass!
VymazatMaybe no offense.... but the concept is unfortunately correct
VymazatScrew you guys! I'm going to make my own physics mod, with blackjack and hookers!
VymazatSe llama RBR Plus, que hacen hablando de AC?, fuera de aquí.
OdpovědětVymazatSi no sabes de qué están hablando de AC, usa el traductor de Google o cállate. Estúpido
VymazatAssetto corsa is a game, not a simulator, if we let each person modify the physics as they want, the gene is lost. AC is horrible, get out of here. Do you like it like this with the translator? te lo digo en castellano, Cerra el Orto y andate de aca.
VymazatRBR is a game and not a simulator too. The physics on gravel are still crap and probably always will be.
VymazatYour attention, please!!!!
OdpovědětVymazatUnfortunately, once again, it turns out that a lot of people don't know what a decent discussion looks like. Personal assault shows an inability to bring an argument.
Try to think about it.
Good Evening, Naturally I do not agree with The Premise. Good Evening
VymazatI find it kinda funny how an inoffensive post about new rally1 skins sparked a big & fiery discussion/debate about NGP7 lol
OdpovědětVymazatTento komentář byl odstraněn administrátorem blogu.
OdpovědětVymazatI am afraid that this discussion has gone too far. I have to think about what to do next, but I'm tired of this.
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