Hope it will be released for all plugins.Just name some cost-to-cost donate option,communities will gather necessary funds and will unlock it.With small amounts 0,5-2 EUR it will be a revolution for RBR.All plugins drivers would unlock the track for themselves.We need to stop playing unfair with making tracks exclusive for plugins.IMHO Invitation to talk is always a good way to start.Best Regards
But to produce exclusive tracks not unfair. Each plugin has the right to go his way. Each creator as well.On the other hand, it is good to be open to agreements with others. By the help of money, or without...
yes and that is why I have 6 installations of RBR just because I can get 1 or 2 more exclusive tracks.This is bullshit.One or 2 plugins should be enough!
I would better pay for those track or plugins or something instead of exclusiving.You cant even do a proper rally with all the tracks without changing plugins.We cant do International Rally because there is so many plugins.Imagine if there was a league for Loeb,league for Hirvonnen,league for Kopecki and for Kubica and all driving in different plugins.Ridiculous like boxing.IMHO
I understand the exclusive content for many a reason. If we do look at the plugins more closely and how, for example, the online element has been organised in each of them, it's very clear to see that all of these plugins have got something "unique" to offer. Yes, they are very much different compared to each other, so in a sense they can justify their existence. I could go into details, but won't.I can truly imagine that each of these plugins strongly believe in their own thing and want everyone to at least give their vision and effort a go. And let's face it, sometimes - in order to tempt people - one must resort to exclusive content. People often talk about huge egos having these fights behind the scenes, but that's only half the story, if a story at all. It all comes down to the fact that without exclusive content no-one would download some newer plugins, and it doesn't really matter how good the plugins may be.So, if a track creator, after millions of hours of hard work, is inclined to favour a certain plugin he/she must be "deeply in love with", then everyone should just accept it and shut up. They're just special stages at the end of the day, so can't see why it'd be so big a deal anyway. There have been over 400 BTB stages released as of this date, and yet some people can go nuts about some very occasional exclusive stages. :)
Yes btb stages were mostly bad quality using someones xpacks and nobody used them for longer because they were all the same.Anyway no the point,I meant that there is lots of high quality well optimised tracks that can't be accessed by drivers.Of course some of them were already released to all plugins after years of pain,but tell me if you are using RSRRBR or any other plugin do you want to install Czech plugin only to drive semetin?and what about settings,i will not setup everything from beginning on another plugin just to drive it.This is ridicoulous.I appreciate that there is lots of people willing to do their own plugin but in the end it doesnt make sense.What if there was 30 plugins and each plugin had their own several SS?they would be rotting in their own plugin without getting tracks from other plugins,and everybody hurts from it.In case of simulation like RBR there need to be finally one plugin that has the most drivers and most best tracks and cars and physics,and only then we can make a proper World Rally.If all egos work together for common good.Otherwise there is anarchy and nobody really does anything.Because it is mostly track creators and car creators and physics creators doing all the job,and plugin creators just have egos.nothing elso.anyone can get a plugin like that.Its a matter of several hundred euros.Do we want to make more plugins?????or steady development of new tracks and cars and physics and fixups.I dont care what plugin I use i have all of them because I want to drive on all possible tracks,I want to see proper rallys in the future between all nations.Not hiding in some small national plugins.That is my opinion.I am a high quality track creator and I want to give this track to all people,exclusive is bullshit.We need to seek other ways of retaining drivers in plugin and going exclusive is not the way.I think that it would be better to donate the track creator so he releases track for all plugins instead of not giving anything to track creator and making it exclusive.
Great another comming track!, but I have a few observations: Don't put people in top of crossroad and in outside radius of corner, it's totally wrong choice! Yes for game it's never mind, but in real life this f**g wrong. The same as smoking - guys think, I just do it for himself and do nothing bad for all others! But it's not true: always founds stupid and young guys who thins: waaau - smoking is cool! - he do this and I can too - it's really cool! The same with rally spectators, stay close to road is cool - why not, what is the strong rally impression. But bad, that in real life it's take life. Same situation in this spring was in our nationaly rally championship, one woman death after rally cresh incident - she and others guys stay to close the road, under "prevent" line and...If creators want - prevent "cut" or to hight speed or want others rally incident on track - you always cand put in this places: stones, ditch, poles trees, wood,road sign or some invissible collision and it will the same, but not the f***g spectators! Sorry for my terrIble englishBR Rally G
This track looks nice. BUT... When I read Rally Guru's message I decided to watch the track video. And yes, it is true, that all the spectators are placed on dangrous places. It's not a good idea to have spactators oin breaking areas. If you need to show that there is a corner or junction you can use some "arrow tables" as well as in reality. People should not be there from two reasons. 1) It is wrong from drivers point of view. Due to hard breaking after high speeds. 2) In reality none rally safty inspector would allow it. It's very danger for spectators. I think that track developers should learn speactators, where is good place to watch the rally and where is not. Mathou please, if it is possible to move all the spectators on better please, please do it. Of course I don't know how difficult it is for you. Good luck PetrK
Yes I agree about spectators.The rest is amazing for a low budget track and a true sim from 2004!When driving 140p/h in 3D Vision through narrow forrest roads downhil is priceless.It just looks so immersive that my fiancee can't watch cause she is so afraid of speed.Can't wait to drive this track.RBR graphics although old is just timeless and feels so real.Thumbs up,this track is on my list.Just before you finish,polish it and all will be great;)
There is always pointed to the work of the trackmaker of the tracks. But dont forget all the other people, who make the track possible. If you want commercialize trackmaking you get money for much work of other people. Whats about knowledge and tutorials, addon tools and built plugins, sometimes textures, who payed for all the people who make the track possible?So i say NO for pay constrain for any track! It would unfair and dubious. release restrictions are allways the right of every builder. But i dont belive it helps the plugin. Restriction on one side generate restrictions on other side. What do it help the plugin and comunity if other trackmackers reaction of restriction will a own restriction? Nothing, only stupid thinking. Im every time for "free to use" "share all knowledge for gneral RBR progress". Ok situation for plugins are not easy. To push own plugin a compromise is a defined fair temporary restriction. All other is bullshit and will not help to take RBR alive.Rally Guru you write from my soul. Most of last fatal accidents with spectators was a result of wrong position of them (mostly spectators standing in closed danger zones).Our trackdesign should be a good example for reality should be.This track is a good track but with a look to the reference Semetin far from "amazing" Lamda
I get it Lamda,but don't you understand that nobody is making money on tracks!Donation would be for costs incurred.The track maker could simply present a bill for photographer,GPS,making PROMO and more.And all people of all plugins would just unlock the track.It is not for making business and earning money.Besides argument that it has never been done and what about all the other creators that received nothing is a little be out of place.Maybe WE should start something that should have been done years ago.Why you are all afraid of around 50 cent (even less depending on how many drivers donate) per person for years of fun???I cant believe that capitalists behave like communists?BTW we want to organise donate action for all past tracks that made it to plugins to appreciate their creators and set precedense for future of RBR.WE want only non-profit.NO COMMERCIALISING!AND YES WE SHOULD BUY THE LICENSE FOR RBR or at least DONATE BTB AND WALLABY CREATORS AS WELL.YOU ALL SPEND MONEY ON ALCOHOL AND OTHER THINGS AND ARE NOT WILLING to spare some several cents per track to make drivers HAPPY.THIS IS BECOMING SURREAL>
If talk about RBR creations or plugins life. I have idea make this: all track and car or skin, must to be for free but in offline. If you want used them online, must to buy it (some symbolic price up to 5 eu). What it do - first it's let easy share money between track or car creators and plugin owners. ANd take much more motivation for all comunity...
WE DONT WANT TO COMMERCIALIZE RBR!!!!!!!!!!!WE WONT TO MAKE IT NON-PROFIT!!!THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!WE JUST WANT TO SEE A STEADY PROGRESS FOR ALL DRIVERS!
RALLYESIM SAYS NO TO DONATION EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE DONATE BUTTON IN CENTER OF PLUGINNEWS FROM THE BATTLEFIELD FOR FREEDOM!RALLYESIM SAYS NO TO DONATION FOR CREATORS EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE DONATE BUTTON IN CENTER OF PLUGIN.IT DOESN"T MEAN THAT DRIVERS WHO USE RSRBR ARE AGAINST IT.IT IS ONLY OPINION OF THE KING OF RALLYESIM.DONT WORRY PEOPLE,DRIVERS ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL UNITE AGAINST TYRANNY!WE WILL UNLOCK THE HONDARRIBIA STAGE FOR ALL PLUGINS ANYWAY!IF SOMEBODY DRIVES RALLYESIM RSRBR PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT.DO YOU WANT MORE AND HIGH QUALITY TRACKS OR DO YOU WANT RALLYESIM TO DICTATE YOU AND GIVE YOU ALMOST NOTHING?ARE YOU BETTER THAN THAT?OUR COMMUNITY GOT TIRED OF SEEING RBR IN A STATE OF DECAY>WE WANT ACTIONS TO IMPROVE SIMULATION FOR ALL PEOPLE.IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DONATE 50 cents!!!!! for a track that will give you fun for years!!!Then perhaps we better all packup and start playing some arcade shitttt.TO ALL DRIVERS THAT WANT A STEADY PROGRESS FOR RBR AND MORE HIGH QUALITY TRACKS PLEASE POST THIS ANYWHERE YOU CAN SO MORE PEOPLE KNOW.DON'T JUST SIT AND WAIT FOR A MIRACLE TO COME!
Talks with RALLYESIM has been resumed.Standby for more.RBR TRAXX
Spectators? Yes, we have raise them...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AntTKfRO5po:-)
Better if you find moment when car is hitting all the spectators ;) I know, it is on youtube too ..
Sorry, meant ironically ;-)How many people can bring to his senses with exemplary placing spectators in the RBR simulator, when not learn from drastic shots on TV, or command of the organizers.This video is from Portugal, eleven years after the tragedy grB ...
I dont say nothing against donation as long the track is released without condition "payment". If you must pay for something its not a donation anymore. Hondariba is a comercial product because you must pay before you get the rights/license to use."...WILL UNITE AGAINST TYRANNY..." sorry what? what did you smoke lol ? Sounds not serious, i would never spend any cent to someone who pray such statements.money generates no new quality tracks, its generate only new quarrel. Why should it build faster and with higher quality if motivated by money? How will you get sure, that people with best quality will get most money?who decide? I dont see any serious (nonecomercial) concept.Lamda
OMG yous are all so serious.You should all read Richard Bransons books.UNITE AGAINST TYRANNY was said because Rallyesim blocked comments on my post.That resulted in closing the discussion.I wanted as many people as possible to comment on this subject so we know how many people think about it.DiaKoNAnd My idea is to release tracks for free.If they are uploaded to plugins for online then plugins should organise!some donation actions for those creators who made it to online plugin.And maybe in Germany there is enough money so you can build for free.I told Phil already that I am poor and if people expect me to do high quality tracks then I am counting on support.Moreover I was tired of waiting and waiting and waiting for Hondarribia and I knew that there is so many commies wanting everything for free that I will never drive this track online and I contacted ECSIMAHARDWARE and asked how much to they think costs were and I decided to gather as many people as possible to free this track for all plugins.To show you how things should be dealt.Because what I see everything for free is total chaos and nobody really knows what we can expect.NOW if there will not be enough people to donate then OK we will know that you all are just cheap opportunists and are not willing to support projects.It will at least stop manyh people from trying to do something good for RBR.As I said I will not continue making tracks after I finish Magnolia for free.Because I will habe to go to work to earn money instead of doing tracks.simple as that my girlfriend wont allow me.
And one more thing Lamda.How money generates more better tracks.I will tell you how,I want to make good tracks but I dont have time for doing many tracks at the same time.I would donate modellers to do tracks.SO we could expect at least several good tracks in a year.Moreover people donating would be able to at least vote for some tracks to choose track most people want to drive.Like best known stages in the world or something like that.I have finished Bachelor of Business in Management in Dublin and when I see how this all RBR scene looks I just cannot stay quiet.I can see how I can improve it for everybody and finally stop the stupid war of egos between plugins that behave like little kids and fighting with eachother for tracks and for retaining drivers and not even getting donations to improve plugins.If you only take donations for servers you cant get more people to take care of plugins like with Czech for example and that you need to wait for the grace of somebody and hope that he will upload tracks once a year or two.i would just donate someone to upload those tracks and thats it the problem would be gone and we would know that as soon a track comes out somebody immediatelly uploads it and tests it.My opinion. You can do what you want.I dont really need online plugins because I drive on simulator with my friends who dont have simulators so there is maybe 5 of them coming to me and we do some rallys.I dont have time for Pro rallying I drive because I love it and I dont care which place i take.But I want to make tracks for all people so they can drive in championships and so on.Again without their support I will not be doing i t only for me.Because I cant afford it.Do you all haters understand now?And Lamda if you dont trust me thats fine,if you dont want to donate,thats fine,I will not hold grudge agaisnt anyone who doesnt want to support because he wasnt supported and did everything for free.Also I dont force anyone to pay anything I just want to know how many people are willing to donate to receive tracks.DiaKoN
sorry i mean "i dont say anything against donation..."Lamda
Lamda is right, but there is other problem - the author did not tell anything about the conditions of use this track.Discussion led us here, and I think that does not appear to be fair for him.
You can shout at ECSIMHARDWARE that they wanted to do a realistic track but had a different business plan than going for free.He is not a modeller he cant do a track himself BUT he wanted to make this Hondarribia Stage,he connect the good and the useful.He paid for photographer to come to Hondarribia stage and make photos he drove the car and bought high quality GPS,he donated the track maker.And wanted only some costs back so everyone is happy!I see it like that and I understand it.And this is the normal way for progress,especially if there is no profit or hardly any profit from it.As I said Poland lived under communism and it looked the same.Almost everything was for free (but there was almost nothing and nobody was doing anything).
Myra43 I spoke to Eneko and he said If people donate then track will be released without any license for all plugins and everyone will be happy.
IF people do not want this track online on plugins they do not need to donate it.Simple as that.
What did you not understand? If you get something only by give something it is not donation. It dosnt matter if you make money or loose money, it stay a commercial product.Now the dicussion is more and more funny. What have a ideological system to do with RBR? And im sure there was some real kommuninism they offering all there power for kommunism and do great work. But as i sad, if you dont work with your personal motivation, you only do what you must to get the price. That is one reason why kommunism not working and why trackmacking will not better with money flow.You should research a theme more better before you write it as polemic example.Lamda
Look I try different options,you don't know if it will not be better until we try it.At least I try It can even stay like it is now but at least I made a lot of rumour and raised awareness that people need to be donated even after releasing tracks for free.After every free track we should expect a major donate action to appreciate creators so they get a present out of it.Again I am telling you that I would love to make great tracks but I will not be able because my fiancee says that I should work like normal people for 12-14 hours to get a living for her and family instead of sitting and doing tracks,but doing tracks is MY passion!!!!not work,but believe me that almost all track makers including Miro Kurek I presume want to get donations and I am just trying to raise awareness so people DONATE.Because if you dont speak about it then nobody really donates.ANd this is sad.DiaKon
And one more thing.If people were working for profit they would expect at least 10 euro per hour and tracks would cost 5K EUR or more.We only want people to start caring and drop small amounts to creators.
Anyway we will gather what we can and we will give the rest out of our poor pocket just to show people that if we want something there is nothing to stop us from doing it.Money is only means.I will work the whole 2 weeks in some warehouse and I will give all to be able to drive this track online,and tell me that you all will not want to drive it.As soon as the track came out for 12 Euro donate I said it is too expensive,but when the price went down to 6EUR I asked my friend to share costs and We donated 8 EUR,downloaded the track and were happy to drive it already hundreds of times.It is my menthality.I appreciate people and I have no problem with donating,because I know tracks serve for years and giving 2EUR or any amounts is drinking one beer less in few months.It is nothing but I want to give,unlike many of you that like to receive everything for free and not giving anything from you.Most of people will not even write THANK YOU emails or comments. DiaKon
Oh,and BTW I wonder If I talk to ECSIMHARDWARE to release the track FOR FREE without donations for all plugins how many people would donate after the track is on plugins for free.It will be probably 20 people and the rest will not move a finger to drop any amounts.Sad but true,and the same people will probably buy several dlc's for BF4 amounting to sums like 50-100euro just because they must pay because otherwise they wouldnt be able to play.DiaKon